Showing posts with label Cars. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Cars. Show all posts

Saturday, February 23, 2008

History versus Retirement

This is a story for the Marmon News.

Stop right where you are. Step away from the car. Eeeeasy. Good, now put down the paint gun. Put it right on the garage floor. Kick it over here. OK, lets review what we have here. We don't want to do anything rash. We should talk about this and review how we got here.
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I have had many old timers sit in my car, no I'm not talking about my fellow enthusiasts in the Marmon Club, I'm talking about the old timers that have seen my Marmon out and about and had to sit inside. They were kids when my car was bought by Grandpa Percy 93 years ago. They come shuffling up with their walkers and when they see my car their faces light up, they straighten up, and they never have any problem climbing up into my car. Men get in the driver's seat and women usually jump into the back seat. Everybody grins.
Then they talk. They talk about their memories of riding in cars way back when. They always talk about dating. They talk about their father's cars and how they wish they still had them. They talk about history.
A recurring story from many of the people sitting in my car is about a more recent period: the early fifties. The fifties was when the whole concept of 'antique cars' developed. Detroit was pumping out shiny new cars and everything pre-war were considered jalopies.
Because of the depression and the war, America went without many new cars for more than a decade
. So in 1954 you either had a NEW car or you had a really OLD car. If your family was lucky enough to buy a new car you were offered almost no trade-in for your family jalopy. Jalopies were available everywhere for very cheap prices.

Car enthusiasts were finding their teenage memory cars at attractive prices, but unfortunately, the cars were no longer attractive. They were rusted and beaten and had bald tires, but they were cheap.
There were three things that could happen to these cars.
1) They could be used as transportation and driven until they fell apart. (the Drivers)
2) They could be appreciated for the beautiful cars that they were and undergo meticulous restoration to better than new condition. (the Restorers)
3) They could be preserved as is by keeping the car in good operating condition and driving it as often as possible, but not rebuilding it to "better than new condition". (the Preservers)
There are advantages of each route based on the condition of the car and the personality of the new owner.
The old timers that sit in my car tell me about the fifties and how the two camps, the restorers and the preservers, both disliked the third group that was using and abusing the cars for daily transportation, but they had a particular problem with each other.
The restorers liked cars that showed them in all their glory and the preservers believed in preserving history without revising it.

The advantage that the restorers found is that ANY car could be restored, whereas a preserver needed something that could run and hadn't been abandoned in a orchard for any length of time.
The restorers could buy cars that had to be dragged out of an orchard for much less money than buying a "perfectly good" car from old Mr. Curmudgeon.
By the end of the fifties a third reason surfaced. Restorers found that they could sell their beautifully restored cars to ANYONE. Preservers could only sell their cars to other preservers or to a restorer. The preservers owned a lot of historical cars while the restorers made good money and got to own a lot of historical cars.
During the sixties every jalopy found was restored or was "going to be restored... someday".
This is what the old timers that sit in my car are grumpy about. None of the cars were preserved. They aren't allowed to sit in the "shiny" cars.
They lost the argument.

Some arguments are never forgotten. They keep being brought up again to be rehashed. The answer usually stays the same but the arguer has to try to state his case again.

This time they brought cash. They are putting their money where their mouth is. At the auction at Hershey last October there was a heap of a car on the block. A 1911 Oldsmobile 7 passenger Touring was sold for quite a bit of cash. It is relatively rare because out of 159 made, only three examples of this body style exists. It has only had three owners which increases it's value. It has never been restored and from the looks of it, it has never been preserved either. It is rather rough.
The people in the Marmon Club own very nice cars. Some restored and some preserved. A few of them haven't run in a long time.
There are many body styles that are one of a kind.
The ones that run are fantastic to drive. My Marmon can out perform some minivans and can cruise comfortably above any speed limit in the USA. There is the little issue with trying to stop with those skinny tires and mechanical brakes, but the screeching sound when the two rear tires lock up does get the attention of the car that pulled out right in front of me. Bad weather directly influences the enjoyment of driving, as does the cold, and the heat.
We need a lot of room to park. Our gas mileage is better than a Chevy Suburban and is much more fun to drive. And to park.
We love our Marmons in whatever condition they are in.
Now the owners of the ugly ones can take heart in the fact that there actually may be some retirement money hidden in your hobby. You guys have always told your wives that you will eventually make money from your cars, that they are an "investment". She never believed you, not for one minute.
We are all in it for the love of cars and the people that drive them.

Where am I going with this? I do tend to ramble, but I wanted to be a cheerleader. I want you to appreciate your car as it is, with all of it's flaws and personality. I want to let you know that the 'rough' 1911 Oldsmobile that sold at Hershey got $1.6 million.
Those old timers that told me "don't touch it, leave it alone" were right. Anybody want to buy my car?



The 1911 Oldsmobile Touring (More)

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Sunday, October 7, 2007

Car Week, again.

We have been circling around Carlisle for as long as we could. We were scheduled to get here next Tuesday, but the East Coast is a little smaller than we remembered and we got here a week early. We are camping in a Marmoneer's backyard and are going to the Carlisle show in a few more minutes. It turns out that the "Carlisle Fall" show is for parts. There is NO car show. All of the leftover parts travel twenty miles up the road on Monday and Tuesday to Hershey for the hoards to peruse. They did have a two day auction here. We checked in when they were auctioning off number 220 of 242 cars. Beth and I really liked this wonderful 1954 Nash Metropolitan Convertible, and we were actually going to bid on it, but the price came within our grasp and then quickly shot up above our self-imposed limit.
There were a number of other cars which various people we know would have loved. I called my brother David about a beautiful 1962 Galaxy 500 hardtop that was very nice with a 4 barrel and 4 on the floor. I was going to bid up to a few thousand for him since I didn't have his permission. It went for $29,000.
Then right behind it was a 1958 Galaxy 500 hardtop with 14,000 original miles, one owner, all original, never restored, looked like new. That sold for 20-something too.

Today is parts. I only need a hubcap that isn't likely to be there. I am safe.
You folks are also spared the overload of photos that were likely to ensue. I have been having an ongoing argument with my cheapo-stubborn-crapola-computer for a week now, and it seems to be winning the argument about whether it wants to read photo memory cards or not.

Now I wasn't going to be uploading all of the photos right now, that would be when we are settled in for a while in one spot (starting in late October), but I use the computer to clean off my camera for the next day's adventure. I have had to throttle my picture habit back a little until I fix this $^&$@! computer.

So it is beautiful weather on this fine Sunday morning in Carlisle Pennsylvania.
George the homeowner will be back in a day or two, and we have been trying to organize with some other folks the details of who is going to be where for the Hershey show later this week.

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Thursday, September 27, 2007

Some pictures for those who love boonin'

I know the last thing most of you want to see is more pictures of cars, but there are some friends of ours who are Sportsmen. Their sport is BOONIN'. To the unitiated I would like to explain that the ancient sport of boonin' consists of taking a Jeep, truck, buggy, sand-doodle, 4-wheeler, 6-wheeler, or tracked vehicle and going off-road until it hurts.
Mechanical damage is par for the course, physical discomfort is sought after.
They like it, they live for it, they want better, bigger, noisier, and usually they don't want to pay anything for it.

Driving around today I came upon these vehicles. They seem to be built from scratch with purchased components and long travel independent suspension and snorkles, rollbars, fancy straps to hold the lucky riders in, and various stickers to make them look official.

So this MAY look like an advertisement, but it is a picture show for Graham, Wes, Andrew, Stu, Kathy and all the other kids out there.

Boonin equipment

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Wednesday, September 26, 2007

Marmon HCM prototype

I recently got an email from someone who had made a film for a cable show.
It's a clip about a car that I really love. I had read about it a very long time ago but I had assumed that it was long gone. In 2002 I was in Kalamazoo and I saw this car displayed at a show. I went nuts. I crawled all over and under it, and then spent the afternoon giving tours to anybody that stopped to look at it. The owner had gotten the car as part of an auction lot but didn't know what it was. His mechanic, who had purchased the lot, did some research on the car and found out how important it was and said to the owner that "we've really got something here".
He made the decision to restore it the way it SHOULD be restored. He didn't realize what he was getting into. He stuck with it, way further than almost anyone else could afford to. What he ended up with is a perfect restoration that cost many times more than what it's resale value could be. He invested in a historical record and I thank him for it.

Here is the film clip that is on YouTube: HCM Movie

Here are the pictures of this car from Kalamazoo: HCM Photos

This is a little off topic, but I just opened this email and it brought back the memories of this car. I pulled out the pictures and loaded them up.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007

The Crowd Pleaser.

[Missoula, Montana]


This man was getting a haircut at the same time that I was.
Today he was going to the fair and jump a Subaru.
He was asked to clarify this, was he going OVER the car or was the CAR going over something?
The car was going up a ramp at 40mph and would be airborne for an unspecified amount of time.
Was there going to be a landing ramp or just the level ground?
“Just the ground” he said proudly.
I asked “how high up do you think the car will go?”
He thought about fifteen feet. (I thought that sounded painful.)

While we were both getting our haircut I found out a few more details.
It's called a Tough Truck Competition. It is a whole course in an arena with a lot of bumps, corners, moguls, and a jump.
Last year he did it in his truck and the frame broke behind the cab so the whole truck was in a vee-shape dragging on the ground between the front and rear wheels.
THIS year he is better prepared. He's got a Subaru.

He shortened the steering column to give more slamming room for his chest and he removed 450 pounds worth of unneeded stuff. He has a harness, but he didn't mention a rollcage.
(The rollcage may have been sacrificed in an effort to reduce weight and increase flying time.)

When he was registering for the race the guys were shocked when he said his truck was going to be a Subaru, but after the laughing and snortin was over they said that they “had heard that those for'en cars can take corners pretty good”.
... Yes, he gets paid.
“$500” he says with a big grin.




... Yes, there is a prize for the winner of the Tough Truck Competition but he's not even trying to win, he's just doing it to please the crowd.
The BIG Jump.


Jump higher and land harder than anybody else.


“It should work. I think I'll be okay.”


“I'm just doing it to please the crowd!”

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chemo-sabe said...
Obviously, this dude never heard of the Darwin Awards!!!!

Love you guys!!!!!!!!!!!

chemo-sabe

August 24, 2007 8:55 AM

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Friday, June 29, 2007

Quick Picks from a very busy week.


We were doing the Muster thing this week. Late nights followed by early mornings followed by long tour days followed by late nights. Here are some very quick picks of pix while we are loading the car to leave town.
To see Beth's picks click HERE.

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Monday, June 25, 2007

Marmon Muster Monday



Today we started our touring of the area.
We went to see Steve's Hit'n'Miss shop full of single-lung engines from the old days
which included an absolutely beautiful sterling engine.













We ate and did the cutesey village stuff and then went to a train museum where they film a LOT of movies.
And of course we drove Marmons.

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Sunday, June 10, 2007

We went huntin for a herd of tractors.

We got a call that there were some antique tractors in town getting ready for a show or tour or something.

Tom fired up Lou's old Marmon, Kim and Mike got in the rumble seat, I got in the passenger seat and off we went.

We found the empty trailers but no tractors. So we started driving around looking for them.

We found a bait shop run by an Elvis fan, but she had not seen the tractors. We found a golf-cart with a lowboy hauler trailer on the back. I jumped out to take pictures of course. They hadn't seen any tractors either, but we got to see a picture of one of the forty PEDAL-CARS that the old feller had made.

Click here to see us Lookin for the herd of tractors

They sent us in a certain direction but it turns out that it was the wrong way too, but we didn't mind, we hit pay-dirt!

We spotted what looked like an old trolley car in a barn so we decided to turn around and ask the guy cooking something in the front yard if HE had seen any tractors. This guy is my HERO.

This guy was using a large steam boiler to run a stainless steel cooker.

He hadn't seen the tractors but he knew where they were going, in fact they were coming to his place for lunch.

I took pictures of the old tractors that were right behind him.

We spotted some old looking stuff through a doorway behind him, we asked if we could take a peek, he said sure go ahead. I was very busy taking lots of pictures of lots of stuff in an incredibly organized shed.

When we were finishing up Tom started talking to the guy and complimenting him about his wonderful collection.

His response was "Oh you ain't seen NOTHING yet..." which stopped me cold. We looked around the back of the shed and then he told us to go across the street to see some other stuff. We did. It was amazing. Everything as neat as could be. We went back and talked all about scram-jets, exploding stuff, noisy stuff, fast stuff. It was awesome. He builds his own jet engines using old turbochargers (they are already balanced). He occasionally scorches off large areas of turf when he fires up some of the great stuff. I am getting giddy just thinking of it again.

HIS goal is to weasel a ride in an F-15 fighter jet. He has two sons that work on maintenance of jets, one on F-15's and another one on military cargo jets, but he doesn't think he has an in yet. I would love to find a connection to get this guy up there. If you would like to see how a very organized person handles a terrific collection check out this picture album. It's amazing, this is better than the carp.

Click here to SEE THE STUFF

And then we went on to have a very successful day -- yada yada yada

I'll explain after I sleep.

(warren)

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braankraayon said...
That shed looks like an engineers paradise,Warren. You must have been like a kid in a candy store.
June 10, 2007 12:39 PM

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Saturday, June 2, 2007

Pennsylvania Tollbooths.

Pennsylvania REALLY likes tollbooths. If you want to drive to the corner store, you have to pay a toll. I didn't understand why the GPS (mapping) system in the Odyssey has a "minimize toll roads" option, but around here it seems to be very important. It is a little odd that the turnpikes here have the highest prices and the worst pavement with uneven, lumpy concrete that is banked backwards toward the outside of corners. I'm surprised that the two or three residents of PA that don't work for the highway department haven't written a letter to complain yet.

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Wednesday, May 9, 2007

Jaffrey NH

I've just always loved
these things...

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